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Apr 17, 2016 8:54:17 GMT -6
Post by Skalle on Apr 17, 2016 8:54:17 GMT -6
So users will have OpenRC by default, but should systemd be available? I guess if we're trying to be about choice, the option should be there, even if it's a crappy option.  Also, general dump-on-systemd thread. |
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Apr 17, 2016 9:45:45 GMT -6
Post by bowtiev8 on Apr 17, 2016 9:45:45 GMT -6
So users will have OpenRC by default, but should systemd be available? I guess if we're trying to be about choice, the option should be there, even if it's a crappy option. Also, general dump-on-systemd thread. I think it should be available, but put in the wiki that OpenRC is recommended. |
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Apr 17, 2016 10:49:29 GMT -6
Post by Skalle on Apr 17, 2016 10:49:29 GMT -6
Something like that. I think we need to get together and learn everything we can about Gentoo so we can make informed decisisions. |
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Apr 17, 2016 11:01:32 GMT -6
Post by bowtiev8 on Apr 17, 2016 11:01:32 GMT -6
I agree with you.
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Apr 17, 2016 11:36:52 GMT -6
Post by Skalle on Apr 17, 2016 11:36:52 GMT -6
It's pretty sad that every computer I have (all two of them ) run systemd. I need to look into whether you can use OpenRC with Arch... |
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Apr 17, 2016 19:39:43 GMT -6
Post by Skalle on Apr 17, 2016 19:39:43 GMT -6
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Apr 17, 2016 19:58:28 GMT -6
Post by Skalle on Apr 17, 2016 19:58:28 GMT -6
I have also discovered that Funtoo is a far bigger proponent of OpenRC (and by extension, opponent of systemd) than Gentoo. Interesting.
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Apr 18, 2016 13:17:31 GMT -6
Post by bowtiev8 on Apr 18, 2016 13:17:31 GMT -6
It's pretty sad that every computer I have (all two of them ) run systemd. I need to look into whether you can use OpenRC with Arch... I think it's difficult to get around it this days. |
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Apr 18, 2016 13:19:10 GMT -6
Post by bowtiev8 on Apr 18, 2016 13:19:10 GMT -6
Nice. It was a lot more distros than I thought it would be. We should link to it in our future wiki. |
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Apr 18, 2016 13:19:39 GMT -6
Post by bowtiev8 on Apr 18, 2016 13:19:39 GMT -6
I have also discovered that Funtoo is a far bigger proponent of OpenRC (and by extension, opponent of systemd) than Gentoo. Interesting. You should check it out, and report back to me. |
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Apr 18, 2016 16:46:00 GMT -6
Post by Skalle on Apr 18, 2016 16:46:00 GMT -6
Apparently it's pretty easy to disable non-free packages on a Gentoo/Funtoo system, but the FSF won't list either distro because of the fact that those packages are in the repositories at all. I guess the same goes for Debian.
At any rate, I guess we'll be more like Gentoo and make both available, but yeah, link to that site about systemd and discourage experienced users from installing it. There are a few other init systems available, like sys v, but since Gentoo and Funtoo use OpenRC, we should probably stick with that.
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Apr 20, 2016 12:27:45 GMT -6
Post by bowtiev8 on Apr 20, 2016 12:27:45 GMT -6
I agree.
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Apr 20, 2016 14:34:16 GMT -6
Post by Skalle on Apr 20, 2016 14:34:16 GMT -6
It just sucks that so much software is being developed with systemd in mind. I'm going to have to research how Gentoo/Funtoo deals with that.
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Apr 21, 2016 12:09:47 GMT -6
Post by bowtiev8 on Apr 21, 2016 12:09:47 GMT -6
I agree with you.
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Apr 21, 2016 17:44:03 GMT -6
Post by Skalle on Apr 21, 2016 17:44:03 GMT -6
Problem: OpenRC is licensed under the BSD license, not the GPL, so I dunno if it would be FSF-friendly.
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Apr 22, 2016 11:53:41 GMT -6
Post by bowtiev8 on Apr 22, 2016 11:53:41 GMT -6
That doesn't sound promising. What kind of license is systemd licensed under?
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Apr 22, 2016 22:30:25 GMT -6
Post by Skalle on Apr 22, 2016 22:30:25 GMT -6
The Arch Linux core repository info says it's licensed under GPL2 and LGPL2.1.
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Apr 26, 2016 11:11:12 GMT -6
Post by bowtiev8 on Apr 26, 2016 11:11:12 GMT -6
Sounds like it should be good enough.
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Apr 26, 2016 13:33:07 GMT -6
Post by Skalle on Apr 26, 2016 13:33:07 GMT -6
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Apr 27, 2016 11:43:10 GMT -6
Post by bowtiev8 on Apr 27, 2016 11:43:10 GMT -6
It's not GPLv3, but it's better than some other ridicules license.
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